As much as I dislike crypto, this is not a crypto fail story, even though the article paints it like that a few times (or at least the tone implies).
No one should have their finger servered because of other people’s greediness.
These are the occasions I wish death penalty was a thing, especially for those cases where the idiots have been caught in the act - there are better things to do with my tax money than making sure they have a place to live in and some nice good meals to go with it.
I mean, it’s hard. I’m not really against death penalty on its own, I think there are crimes which deserve exactly that. My issue with death penalty is how easy it is to misuse. So in a theoretical world where some perfect entity with no ability to make mistakes decides who gets it, I’m 100% in favour. In the real world, not so much.
As long as we have the option to separate and isolate, nobody deserves to be killed. The death penalty is nothing more than formalised murder, however one chooses to look at it.
That’s a very American context where prisons are for-profit companies (wtf USA?), that’s why everything is so expensive. In a normal country death sentence wouldn’t cost nearly as much.
No. Murder is murder. There is no rationalising one’s way around it. There is no acceptable context for killing someone other than immediate self-defence, which is not the case when discussing things in terms of justice systems.
There is no acceptable context for killing someone other than immediate self-defence
But you know he’s gonna kill a hundred people next week. Starve ten thousands people to death over the next six months. Start world war 3, and cause the death of millions of people. Those people people have no recourse to self defence, but you could defend them, right now.
These are the occasions I wish death penalty was a thing, especially for those cases where the idiots have been caught in the act - there are better things to do with my tax money than making sure they have a place to live in and some nice good meals to go with it.
I do understand how you feel about that and I do kinda feel the same, BUT … you always have to assure that every last person has rights and gets acceptable treatment, even the ones who seemingly have no soul. Because if there’s ever a category of people without rights, any government would have an easy way to get rid of eveyone critizing them.
And then you critize the government, get a sham trial and are marked for your crime as some kind of “garbage person” without rights. Afterwards, execution or locking away and maybe throw in some torture for the fun of it. This is reality already. It just hasn’t been done to you.
You can feel about it however you want, I may even feel the same with some people, but as an adult, we have to use logic.
The point is, there must never be an official group of people without rights you can just “get rid of” im some way. This limit is not for the punished, it exists to shield the innocent.
Strongly disagree. If someone had killed Musk a year ago, the world would be a different place today. A better place, I think.
If someone had killed Trump ten years ago, how many COVID deaths would be avoided? How much damage to our economy would not have happened? How many hungry people across the world would still have food from a USAID shipment?
There are plenty of times it would be right to kill people. But who can we trust to make that decision? I’m confident I’m right, but I would not want to have to do it.
As much as I dislike crypto, this is not a crypto fail story, even though the article paints it like that a few times (or at least the tone implies).
No one should have their finger servered because of other people’s greediness.
These are the occasions I wish death penalty was a thing, especially for those cases where the idiots have been caught in the act - there are better things to do with my tax money than making sure they have a place to live in and some nice good meals to go with it.
While I do recognise the colloquial and unserious tone of your argument, I have to disagree wholeheartedly: Human right are universal.
I mean, it’s hard. I’m not really against death penalty on its own, I think there are crimes which deserve exactly that. My issue with death penalty is how easy it is to misuse. So in a theoretical world where some perfect entity with no ability to make mistakes decides who gets it, I’m 100% in favour. In the real world, not so much.
As long as we have the option to separate and isolate, nobody deserves to be killed. The death penalty is nothing more than formalised murder, however one chooses to look at it.
Atonement and facing the consequences of one’s actions during a long life in prison is a fate worse than death IMO. Even for a sociopath.
And it is false that the death penalty is cheaper than life sentences: https://sites.psu.edu/bleonard/2020/11/30/the-death-penalty-v-life-in-prison/
But above it all, while there are persons unjustly sentenced to death and found later Innocent, can we really keep doing this?
That’s a very American context where prisons are for-profit companies (wtf USA?), that’s why everything is so expensive. In a normal country death sentence wouldn’t cost nearly as much.
Sure, you can call it that and yeah, it might make some people think more before being in favour of it just because it doesn’t sound as bad.
But I disagree with the first part, plenty deserve to be killed, always had and always will.
In theory death penalty is exactly that - people justly decide that someone harms society too much and they don’t want that person in society.
(again, note that I don’t think it should be implemented in real world because of how easily corruptible people are)
No. Murder is murder. There is no rationalising one’s way around it. There is no acceptable context for killing someone other than immediate self-defence, which is not the case when discussing things in terms of justice systems.
Killing is never justice.
But you know he’s gonna kill a hundred people next week. Starve ten thousands people to death over the next six months. Start world war 3, and cause the death of millions of people. Those people people have no recourse to self defence, but you could defend them, right now.
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I do understand how you feel about that and I do kinda feel the same, BUT … you always have to assure that every last person has rights and gets acceptable treatment, even the ones who seemingly have no soul. Because if there’s ever a category of people without rights, any government would have an easy way to get rid of eveyone critizing them.
Thats bullshit. Not all people deserve to be treated as people. Some are just garbage. That includes serial killers and ones mentioned in this article
And then you critize the government, get a sham trial and are marked for your crime as some kind of “garbage person” without rights. Afterwards, execution or locking away and maybe throw in some torture for the fun of it. This is reality already. It just hasn’t been done to you.
You can feel about it however you want, I may even feel the same with some people, but as an adult, we have to use logic.
The point is, there must never be an official group of people without rights you can just “get rid of” im some way. This limit is not for the punished, it exists to shield the innocent.
There’s this one Nazi CEO that I hope we can agree either has no soul or at least one that we could do without. Yet we’re not killing him.
Killing people is wrong and while there may be factors that make it seem more warranted, nothing will ever make it right.
Strongly disagree. If someone had killed Musk a year ago, the world would be a different place today. A better place, I think.
If someone had killed Trump ten years ago, how many COVID deaths would be avoided? How much damage to our economy would not have happened? How many hungry people across the world would still have food from a USAID shipment?
There are plenty of times it would be right to kill people. But who can we trust to make that decision? I’m confident I’m right, but I would not want to have to do it.
As a side note. A death penalty case actually costs more than a life sentence.
In the US where they decided to make the punitive system for-profit?
Of course.