I already answered that: your question is trying to move the goalposts away from what framework is doing.

I think the rest of your response feels wrong in a fundamental way but I haven’t thought through why yet.

Voting can absolutely be a hateful act, I literally can’t imagine what happens in your brain that makes you think otherwise. The entire US 2024 election was hate vs not-the-hate-guy. A vengeance fantasy for middle aged white men.

It’s literally in the post you’re responding to. I didn’t do any external research other than read the thread.

Before they invest money? Yes

If you’re going to hold lemmy to the same standard we are holding lemmy to in this thread, absolutely yes. Did you not see the detailed links provided by oop?

And uh …don’t the tankies not believe in those allegations? Isn’t that their whole thing, that western media is lying about it? Ie delusional like I said.

Can you point me to that (must be lemmy dev or moderator appointed by a lemmy dev to be comparable)? All I’ve seen are posts on power tripping where people get banned because they say things like “Russia started it” or “Tiananmen lol, amirite”. I’ve not seen anything to the extent you’re describing and would be interested in seeing it.

And uh, the problem isn’t the use of software. Nothing in this thread is about the use of software.

That’s how it would have been if they hadn’t responded with big tent. Once they responded with “we do this on purpose” it became a thing

I wasn’t worried about that I was just disappointed by the thread

I mean if your band starts heiling and you send them a thousand dollars, people are absolutely going to judge you and you’d deserve it. That’s what happened here.

I can’t think of a single example of this, can you provide something to back your point up?

Their response was “we’re ok with supporting white nationalists”. It doesn’t take a complex pr machine to accept that white nationalists are bad people.

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Tankies, afaik, are just delusional. Do they support murder of non-whites?

And uh…the fact that defederating the tankies is a regular topic of conversation here is 100000000x better than the big tent response.

They immediately responded

Yeah I don’t think you get how this works. They had time to research the tool they are recommending but literally nothing about the backers or community? Framework will absolutely have a legal team whose job would include vetting these orgs.

But let’s say you’re right and framework is operating a company with no legal counsel (which is also a giant red flag): their response was “we are chill with terrible people in our space, we have a big tent”. Not “you’re right, we didn’t do research on these guys thanks for bringing it to our attention we’ll do some research”. If they said that, this wouldn’t be a thing. Instead, they said affirmatively “we don’t care if they are white nationalists, we want to include white nationalists in our tent”.

When someone uses “critical thinking skills” or “common sense” they sure always seem to be on the wrong side of history.

You’re right, they are just performing hateful acts towards trans people, they may be doing it out of laziness or ignorance rather than actually hating trans people. As we all know, materially helping an anti trans cause doesn’t mean you hate trans people in the same way materially helping terrorists doesn’t make you a terrorist. Ex: our friends and allies in Saudi Arabia.

If you’re going to write a word with so many Is like suicide you really shouldn’t also throw in a lower case l. It took me forever to figure out what sucde meant because I was excluding the Is due to the trailing l. (Would’ve made more sense also if you just used the phrase offing ones self which you seemed fine with.)

“where simply existing wasn’t stigmatized”… Yeah I think that’s what most people want including immigrants and trans people. You might need to take a good hard look at yourself for seemingly arguing that a project making it’s own community an unsafe space for people is fine but you’re the victim because people on blue sky called one too many things transphobic.

Other than that your sob story makes it sound like you’re a problematic person and I doubt I’m alone in thinking that. I don’t ever remember seeing an excessive amount of accusations of transphobia on bluesky, let alone reddit since it’s 80% Russian bots. So maybe, just maybe, the problem is you. Do you maybe have opinions that regularly get you called a transphobe? At least, that’s how I read your victim story.

Yes a powerful and influential figure in the open source community using his platform to actively promote racist hate speech is literally identical to a 17 yo at burger king. Truly a brilliant analysis of the situation.

I agree with your last statement unironically.