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  • Yeah, just paying for LLM APIs is dirt cheap, and they (supposedly) don’t scrape data. Again I’d recommend Openrouter and Cerebras! And you get your pick of models to try from them.

    Even a framework 16 is not good for LLMs TBH. The Framework desktop is (as it uses a special AMD chip), but it’s very expensive. Honestly the whole hardware market is so screwed up, hence most ‘local LLM enthusiasts’ buy a used RTX 3090 and stick them in desktops or servers, as no one wants to produce something affordable apparently :/






  • I don’t understand.

    Ollama is not actually docker, right? It’s running the same llama.cpp engine, it’s just embedded inside the wrapper app, not containerized. It has a docker preset you can use, yeah.

    And basically every LLM project ships a docker container. I know for a fact llama.cpp, TabbyAPI, Aphrodite, Lemonade, vllm and sglang do. It’s basically standard. There’s all sorts of wrappers around them too.

    You are 100% right about security though, in fact there’s a huge concern with compromised Python packages. This one almost got me: https://pytorch.org/blog/compromised-nightly-dependency/

    This is actually a huge advantage for llama.cpp, as it’s free of python and external dependencies by design. This is very unlike ComfyUI which pulls in a gazillian external repos. Theoretically the main llama.cpp git could be compromised, but it’s a single, very well monitored point of failure there, and literally every “outside” architecture and feature is implemented from scratch, making it harder to sneak stuff in.


  • OK.

    Then LM Studio. With Qwen3 30B IQ4_XS, low temperature MinP sampling.

    That’s what I’m trying to say though, there is no one click solution, that’s kind of a lie. LLMs work a bajillion times better with just a little personal configuration. They are not magic boxes, they are specialized tools.

    Random example: on a Mac? Grab an MLX distillation, it’ll be way faster and better.

    Nvidia gaming PC? TabbyAPI with an exl3. Small GPU laptop? ik_llama.cpp APU? Lemonade. Raspberry Pi? That’s important to know!

    What do you ask it to do? Set timers? Look at pictures? Cooking recipes? Search the web? Look at documents? Do you need stuff faster or accurate?

    This is one reason why ollama is so suboptimal, with the other being just bad defaults (Q4_0 quants, 2048 context, no imatrix or anything outside GGUF, bad sampling last I checked, chat template errors, bugs with certain models, I can go on). A lot of people just try “ollama run” I guess, then assume local LLMs are bad when it doesn’t work right.



  • TBH you should fold this into localllama? Or open source AI?

    I have very mixed (mostly bad) feelings on ollama. In a nutshell, they’re kinda Twitter attention grabbers that give zero credit/contribution to the underlying framework (llama.cpp). And that’s just the tip of the iceberg, they’ve made lots of controversial moves, and it seems like they’re headed for commercial enshittification.

    They’re… slimy.

    They like to pretend they’re the only way to run local LLMs and blot out any other discussion, which is why I feel kinda bad about a dedicated ollama community.

    It’s also a highly suboptimal way for most people to run LLMs, especially if you’re willing to tweak.

    I would always recommend Kobold.cpp, tabbyAPI, ik_llama.cpp, Aphrodite, LM Studio, the llama.cpp server, sglang, the AMD lemonade server, any number of backends over them. Literally anything but ollama.


    …TL;DR I don’t the the idea of focusing on ollama at the expense of other backends. Running LLMs locally should be the community, not ollama specifically.








  • I elaborated below, but basically Musk has no idea WTF he’s talking about.

    If I had his “f you” money, I’d at least try a diffusion or bitnet model (and open the weights for others to improve on), and probably 100 other papers I consider low hanging fruit, before this absolutely dumb boomer take.

    He’s such an idiot know it all. It’s so painful whenever he ventures into a field you sorta know.

    But he might just be shouting nonsense on Twitter while X employees actually do something different. Because if they take his orders verbatim they’re going to get crap models, even with all the stupid brute force they have.


  • There’s some nuance.

    Using LLMs to augment data, especially for fine tuning (not training the base model), is a sound method. The Deepseek paper using, for instance, generated reasoning traces is famous for it.

    Another is using LLMs to generate logprobs of text, and train not just on the text itself but on the *probability a frontier LLM sees in every ‘word.’ This is called distillation, though there’s some variation and complication. This is also great because it’s more power/time efficient. Look up Arcee models and their distillation training kit for more on this, and code to see how it works.

    There are some papers on “self play” that can indeed help LLMs.

    But yes, the “dumb” way, aka putting data into a text box and asking an LLM to correct it, is dumb and dumber, because:

    • You introduce some combination of sampling errors and repetition/overused word issues, depending on the sampling settings. There’s no way around this with old autoregressive LLMs.

    • You possibly pollute your dataset with “filler”

    • In Musk’s specific proposition, it doesn’t even fill knowledge gaps the old Grok has.

    In other words, Musk has no idea WTF he’s talking about. It’s the most boomer, AI Bro, not techy ChatGPT user thing he could propose.