This shit’s so embarrassing
It hasn’t taken any jobs, but this will keep being repeated so it can be used as a bludgeon against pay rises and keeping up with inflation.
‘you’re lucky to have a job’
It hasn’t taken any jobs
Microsoft to cut up to 9,000 more jobs as it invests in AI
Hundreds of Google AI Workers Were Fired Amid Fight Over Working Conditions
Tesla’s layoffs hit Autopilot team as AI develops
A lot of these bozos are drinking their own Kool-aid. They’re laying off internal teams in droves and pivoting to “Vibes Coding” as a presumably more efficient method of internal devleopment.
I disagree, I have literally heard of people being laid off because managers think that AI can and will replace actual workers, I have literally seen it too. It’s already happening.
Corporations are firing and laying off labor, but that labor is not being done by AI-- it’s simply falling on those who are still employed or not getting done at all.
I resigned from an international public accounting firm due to having AI forced on very sensitive and delicate projects in order to lower costs. As a professional, every alarm bell went off and I left because I could be held liable for their terrible managerial decisions.
They told me they were sad to see me go, but AI is the future and hope I changed my mind-- this was all back in April.
Not only did AI fail to do a fraction of the work we were told it was going to do, it caused over $2MM in client damages that the firm then used to justify the firing of the remaining members of the projects’ team for failing to properly supervise the AI, even though every manager struggles to open a PDF.
AI is not the future because it is literally only capable of looking backwards.
AI is a performative regurgitation of information that real people put the time and energy into gathering, distilling, refining, and presenting to others to evaluate and contribute to.
Even worse, AI demonstrably makes its users dependent and intellectually lazy. If you think about it, the more prevalent AI usage becomes, the less and less capable people will be left to maintain it. And to all the fools crying out that AI will take care of itself or robots will, I say:
All LLMs are hallucinating and going psychotic, and that is not something that can be fixed due to the very nature of how LLMs work.
AI is not intelligent. And while it could be, that would take far too much energy and resources to make cost-effective machines with as many neural connections present in the brain of an average MAGA voter-- and that is already a super a low bar for most of us to clear.
Yeah, it just hasn’t taken any of those jobs, apparently.
LOLLLLLLLL that’s like a third of the US population. Probably half of the number currently employed. There’s no way in hell this useless garbage will take 1/3 to 1/2 of all jobs. Companies that do this will go out of business fast.
You can tell how competent someone is at something by how good they think AI is at that thing.
You can tell how competent someone is at something by how good they think AI is at that thing.
This is so true.
I recently had a colleague - ignorant of this perspective - give a training presentation on using AI to update a kind of bullshit job useless document.
Dozens of peers attended their presentation. They went on demonstrating relatively mindless prompt inputting for 40 minutes.
I keep remembering just how many people they shared their AI enthusiasm with.
I think they may honestly believe that AI has democratized the workplace, and that they will vibe code their way to successful startup CEO-ship in a year.
I also find it interesting how whenever I’ve expressed the above sentiment either here or on the Other Place, the up/downvote ratios seem to vary massively depending on the tech-bro quotient of the group. I’m mildly surprised to see it go entirely positive in a community called “technology”.
To that I say, welcome to Lemmy!
Well yeah, a tech-bro ain’t actually that technologically inclined to begin with.
And these 1/3 are perfect horde for fascist brainwashing and consolidate the power of techno-fascists. The fascists will tell the jobless that immigrants took their jobs and not robots.
Stop calling LLM AI. It creates false expectations.
The fact that “AI” training off other LLM slop produces worse and worse results is proof there is no “intelligence” going on just clever parroting.
LLMs are the embodiment of “close enough”. They’re suitable if you want something resembling a certain mode of speech, formal tone or whatever without having to write it yourself.
When using it to train other LLMs, you’re basically training them to get “close enough” to “close enough”, with each generation getting a little further from “actually good” until, at some point, it’s just not longer close enough.
LLMs are Mechanical Turks
It’s not a lie if you can obtain a trademark… our LLM is AI™. Just like how Teslas are Fully Self Driving™.
Just look at who’s in charge of the Senate, and ask yourself if they are to be trusted to do anything but lie, steal and carry out witch hunts.
As for LLMs, unless driving contact-centre customer satisfaction scores even further through the floor counts as an achievement, so far, all there’s been has been a vast volume of hype and wasted energy, and very little to show for it, except for some highly constrained point solutions which aren’t significant enough to make economic impact. Even then, the ROI is questionable.
AI isn’t taking the jobs, dipshit rich assholes are cutting the jobs. Taking a job implies doing the job, and from that perspective, the remaining people who weren’t laid off are taking the jobs, not AI.
Yes but got forbid those jobs be stolen by another country. Can’t have that.
So they want to keep them terrified of losing their shitty, barely functioning status quo.
The reality is that these are the numbers the Republicans want , because it’s the numbers their billionaire owners want. ChatGPT is just accidentally letting us know how they’ve poisoned the models.
If we can make it through to midterm elections I will worry then.
even with the midterms, trump did so much damage, its only going to end up being blame on dems anyways. its better to intervene later, mainly having republican recieve the blame for once.
My prediction is that AI, as in LLMs, will be responsible for 0 net jobs lost but simultaneously responsible for many companies going under.
People will lose their jobs to AI in the same way that lumberjacks lose their job to forest fires.
robot tax
Needs to stop with stupid gimmicks from Bernie. Higher personal, corporate, and investment taxes to fund UBI. Welcome robots/automation to free us from any useless work instead of looking at cannibal solutions to “pick me” for the one job there is.
Robot taxes are wrongheaded, because automation is hard to define. Taxing pipes and wires will make full employment getting all your energy and water with buckets from the river and chopping down all the trees. Even if we strained to define narrow robots/automation categories, it would encourage more foreign production, and no local robot production economy. Why would those selling Yachts to the robot owners not be taxed?
we dont even have universal healthcare or functional public transit, UBI is a pipedream…
or fast rail way, even in places that are funded better. public transports is lacking in many areas , for example it doesnt go areas outside of cities where most tech jobs/biotech campuses are without a car.
In fact, UBI is complete nonsense because you won’t be able to save for anything since your account will be reset every time, and you will again receive about 2k in currency, which will all go to pay for basic needs and in the end you will become like a pet.
UBI is an easy winning election platform. The most promising aspect of UBI is that it is power redistribution. Wealth doesn’t get redistributed, and rich get richer even with higher taxes.
A UBI election platform has to be an anti-zionazi corruption platform. Everyone who pledges loyalty to Israel with a policy influence position is automatically a traitor, and will wait for their treason trial in military prison, citizenship removed, and their zionazi donors wealth must be zeroed out (confiscated by state). Defense and oil industries must be nationalized for their warmongering and zionazi influence. Zionazi media must be nationalized. AIPAC lobbyists and donors are traitors, not just foreign agents. ADL is a hate group.
we dont even have universal healthcare or functional public transit
Because of extreme political corruption. Money in politics and media tells you to never change that. US pays 5% of GDP more than Canada on healthcare, and a significant quality of life improvement for Americans comes from spending less overall, including not being subject to stress and crime that causes healthcare. Health lobbies, and all other oligarchies, allying with Zionazi donor wishes is an easier path for corruption than excluding zionazi influence to their own party. Andrew Yang’s 2016 book tour presidential run (focused on UBI/freedom dividends) started with including Universal healthcare, but like DNC, accepted fundraising to lose all principles. His attempt to form a centrist party/coalition is effectively a zionazi only political coalition.
We cannot have nice things because Israel supremacy and war has to be purpose of US government. Your misery makes you ignore the pure evil of US, because bandaids on your misery is all that gets politically debated. You can’t think of American or human sustainability if collapse is imminent. UBI is the complete extermination of the establishment corruption. UBI makes every program have a cash dividend alternative that makes it virtually impossible for corrupt filth to support wasteful programs.
On AI topic, “national security to beat China” = make Skynet to support Israel media/information control to diminish and oppress us all for oligarchy. The alternative to freedom dividends/UBI is genocide of the slave class that has resistance negatives, and no longer any useful slavery positives, to Israel/oligarchy.
and again…how do you imagine your getting to that point in a country that can’t even agree people deserve access to healthcare at all, let alone affordable/quality healthcare…
I very specifically provided complete necessary political messaging. UBI does not provide supremacist power to election winner. It provides freedom and prosperity to people. Since money = speech has already been enshrined, money is terrorist treasonous oppression when used for Zionist first warmongering rule over the country. You must disqualify from politics those who get media/donor support, and pledge loyalty, for their terrorist treasonous oppression of Americans.
can’t even agree people deserve access to healthcare at all,
The biggest issue that influences Trump supporters that I know is total obsession with trans normalization/DEI stories. An olympic female boxer is hated because she is not feminine looking enough. 2nd is any crime or pet eating accusation of immigrants. Covid policies, 3rd. Biden intentionally forcing egg prices higher is just BS they go along with because the same sources that feed their hate on those top 3 issues, pile on for GOP support.
That GOP politicians gaslight support for those issues in order to give oligarchs tax cuts funded by cuts on healthcare is not “people disagree on healthcare is good”, it’s just politicians ignoring what people want. The BS that reimbursing states for medicaid expenses they pay hospitals is giving them money that can be spent on anything, including immigrant protections, is just complete BS, that needs disinformation from sources that feed their 3 priority hate points, which MAGA trusts, to disinform them on oligarchy protections.
The Zionazi/oligarch rulership gaslighting on every other issue can be exterminated. Only through UBI. An election platform that invalidates current establishment power funding.
cool, so…how do you get this messaging about UBI through the propaganda machine when something as basic as universal healthcare cant get through?
I will just make it shorter.
Invalidate zionism. Dehumanize anyone who supports it.
Without zionist financing/control of elections/media, simple needs can get addressed. No nice things ever possible if zionism is not outed as a hate group.
and how do we go about doing this, the best I got is…well…looking at who funds AIPAC and connecting the dots
We don’t necessarily need higher taxes, we could probably put an income cap on SS benefits, remove the cap on SS taxes, and fund it with the excess.
An extremely weird thing GOP did, but explained as Trump diaper lickers, is make SS tax free, even though they’ve been pressuring for SS diminishment reform in last 8 years. A very simple alternative that could have been done is taxes on SS income could flow back into SS fund to strengthen it.
Overall, increased taxes on investment income alone can pay for UBI.
thats UE4 Manny lol
I don’t think the purported numbers themselves are that important, the key bit is that AI is an advancing technology over this century. If we don’t rework our society to account for an oncoming future, people will get run over.
If there is an overhaul of my nation’s Constitution, I would like economics to be addressed. One such thing would be a mechanical ruleset that adjusts the amount of wealth and assets a company can hold, according to employee headcount. If they downsize the amount of working humans, their limit goes down. They can opt to join a lotto program, that grants UBI to people whose occupation is displaced by AI, and each income that is lotto’ed by the company adds to their Capital Asset Limit.
One such thing would be a mechanical ruleset that adjusts the amount of wealth and assets a company can hold, according to employee headcount.
Expert here. That’s a bad idea. Example: a small law firm, 10 employees including owners/partners/I don’t care how they’re organized. They have 3 bank accounts: their payroll account, their operating fund (where all their nonpayroll expenditures are made) and their client liability account. None of the money in that account is actually theirs, they just hold it while waiting for clients to cash their settlement checks.
Proportionally, at least at the firm I’ve consulted with, their client liability account is several orders of magnitude larger than either of the other accounts. Technically the money isn’t theirs, they are just custodians, and the interest from that account is their bar association dues.
My point is, certain asset caps may look appropriate for one industry and simultaneously be absolutely disruptive to others.
In that case, what would you believe to be an appropriate solution for your industry? I would like your viewpoint, it might refine my concept a bit further*.
*My approach is assuming a scenario that can be broadly be described as ‘What if FDR failed to save capitalism?’, or a total breakdown of the economic reality we know. That is the sort of thing that the Framers of America did when they made the Constitution. They formalized rules on preventing absolute political power, so I am looking for something similar regarding economic gaps.
I’ve thought a good one would be to have all publicly traded business allocate 15% equity to employees, and require a seat on the board for an employee elected representative. Employees should be allowed to vote to sell off a certain amount every quarter, and any stock buybacks would go into the employee pool until the 15% is reached again.
I have a feeling that this is different from Beeg’s concern about client assets, but more about employee influence over the company? The idea of an equity limit might be a good addition to the Universal Ranked Income concept that I have cobbled together. Thank you. :)
In any case, my notes has two things about my own take:
1: Employees can vote for whether someone can obtain and retain their leadership position within their chapter and for higher rungs of the organization. Also, the pay grade of those leaders. Employees who are fired or retired from the company will receive 1:1 retirement pay over time, equal to the days and pay grade that they worked at the company, and can vote on any position of the company or those it has merged with. This essentially means that legacy employees can determine the leadership of the company, and cannot be made to ‘go away’ in a political sense.
2: Stocks when sold, have two components. The first is that they pay an amount over a fixed time, that is more than what they were paid for. It cannot be be sold nor traded, until it has been exhausted of this payback value. When exhausted of value, the share can now be traded to another individual for money, or returned to the company for the value it was bought at. The company cannot refuse the return, nor offer an increased price. A share returned to the company can be reissued, which allows it to start paying the fixed value again. Secondly, people who hold a share can vote for company leadership*. People within leadership positions at the company cannot own stocks from their own organization.
By requiring stocks to be held for a certain time before they can be traded, it makes it harder for stockholders to hoard and dispose of stocks when convenient. The gradual payout is a reward to people who buy stocks from the company. Presumably, the inability of stocks to have guaranteed value when they become tradeable will promote their return to the company.
*It is assumed that we are operating within an economic system, where there are absolute wealth and asset caps. There is only so many shares a person can possess, and holding shares can prevent someone from owning a yacht or bigger house - they have to lose the shares to make room within the cap for things they enjoy. This helps limit the influence of individual stock holders.
There’s a few ways to account for it. i mean, if you are doing Net Assets (Assets-Liability), that’s just Equity and having a limit on the total Equity a business is able to carry at specific sizes feels like it’s incentivizing the wrong things.
It’s kind of interesting to see the changes in investment rates that happened when the tax rate dropped from 90% on anything over a million in annual income. People would essentially buy losses (invest in businesses that were struggling) in order to keep from having to pay the government more. So struggling businesses got a little more capital to survive. Simply changing the top personal/corp income tax rate to something draconian at some arbitrarily high amount can have transformative effects on a society. that’s where i’d start.
As a more general principle, don’t build nitpicky implementation detail into a strategy document. That’s how you get brainfarts like the 3/5 compromise.
What is it you’re an expert of, here? Game theory? Or do you mean you’re a lawyer?
If you’re a lawyer, you are not an expert on formulating a society. We’ve let lawyers run things for a long time and look at where it’s gotten us.
The system needs to promote positive, human centric outcomes. Maybe having clients with that much wealth isn’t fundamentally a positive outcome? Perhaps that idea needs to be reworked as a part of the oncoming changes?
In other words, anyone dealing with a certain threshold of wealth needs to hire human beings in order to raise their cap. I like this idea a lot actually. The bigger the clients, the more they have to pay if they want legal representation. For billionaires, legal representation would cost an absolute fortune and provide income to thousands of people.
Honestly I haven’t thought of this pattern but the more I think about it, the better it seems.
Maybe having clients with that much wealth isn’t fundamentally a positive outcome?
let’s remove the ability of people to sue for damages when they’re injured, that’s ALSO a positive societal goal.
where do you think that money came from?
Preferably, yes. Ideally, we are all insured by a single payer system and in the case of an accident, people are compensated via that insurance.
No legal bank account needed.
Next point?
oh, you want to argue. accidents are a very small subset of legal injuries
I am not looking to argue. I just don’t think there is a future for the law profession in a post-scarcity society. Disagreements will occur and negotiations will exist, but there are better ways to resolve them.
Ideally, lawyers, marketers, bankers, and politicians will no longer be needed. They can all be automated.
i mean, ideally everything can be automated. the reason we have lawyers is because there is (usually intentional) wiggle room in the law, and people sometimes need more than “society runs better if we honor our word” to act with integrity, follow the law, or put their shoppings cart back. some people need the stick of legal repercussions all of the time. automating politicians (unless you are going for a direct democracy, which no one has the time for) concentrates power in the hands of the people maintaining the automation. i agree with you on the other two, but i’m sure i could find justifications for human intervention in their processes if i tried. not to mention there’s a certain amount of ingenuity and talent that AI can’t duplicate. nearly everything i’ve seen that’s AI produced lacks soul.
also, i’m not a lawyer, i am just occasionally an expert witness or forensic analyst for some law firms and have some lawyers in the family. I specialize in one federal and two state titles, but again, i provide analysis i don’t practice law. my career has spanned four or five marginally related disciplines so not quite sure what to call me
“If there is a massive overhaul, I would like to use this once in a century event to enact minimal changes that will help to keep the capitalist system in place.”
I.e., made up on the spot.
Well my AI says it will take 96 or 98 million jobs, depending on what you want it say and only for $5,000.
